Comments on: Why I Won’t be Giving to Salvation Army at the Tburg Shur Save http://findingulysses.com/2006/12/19/salvation-army/ Blog and discussion forum for residents of Trumansburg and Ulysses, New York Mon, 19 Dec 2011 00:49:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Jonathan Cook http://findingulysses.com/2006/12/19/salvation-army/comment-page-1/#comment-199211 Jonathan Cook Mon, 23 Aug 2010 18:53:00 +0000 http://findingulysses.com/2006/12/19/salvation-army/#comment-199211 Brandon, you're aware that many people living in Trumansburg aren't Christians, right? Are we all supposed to move away, or be damned or something, when your messiah comes back? Are you saying Trumansburg is the new Jerusalem? You need to add some context to your comment. Brandon, you’re aware that many people living in Trumansburg aren’t Christians, right? Are we all supposed to move away, or be damned or something, when your messiah comes back? Are you saying Trumansburg is the new Jerusalem? You need to add some context to your comment.

]]> By: Brandon Ruediger http://findingulysses.com/2006/12/19/salvation-army/comment-page-1/#comment-199198 Brandon Ruediger Thu, 19 Aug 2010 23:07:52 +0000 http://findingulysses.com/2006/12/19/salvation-army/#comment-199198 Jesus Christ's rise from death is described in 1Cor:15. 1Cor:15 demonstrates how we will be changed when Jesus comes back to take His people to the place He has prepared for them. Jesus Christ’s rise from death is described in 1Cor:15. 1Cor:15 demonstrates how we will be changed when Jesus comes back to take His people to the place He has prepared for them.

]]> By: K Andrew P. http://findingulysses.com/2006/12/19/salvation-army/comment-page-1/#comment-39613 K Andrew P. Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:30:55 +0000 http://findingulysses.com/2006/12/19/salvation-army/#comment-39613 Was Ulysses an early general of The Salvation Army? Is someone looking for him and why has he disappeared? If he's lost perhaps The Salvation Army's Family tracing/Missing Persons can find him or if he's had a disaster they can help him through emergency services...for my dollar locally you can't touch the Army. Was Ulysses an early general of The Salvation Army? Is someone looking for him and why has he disappeared?

If he’s lost perhaps The Salvation Army’s Family tracing/Missing Persons can find him or if he’s had a disaster they can help him through emergency services…for my dollar locally you can’t touch the Army.

]]> By: Dan L http://findingulysses.com/2006/12/19/salvation-army/comment-page-1/#comment-1894 Dan L Wed, 20 Dec 2006 22:47:53 +0000 http://findingulysses.com/2006/12/19/salvation-army/#comment-1894 Forgot to mention with respect to your other points. First, give to whomever you deem worthy. That's up to you. second, secret deals with Bush are a dime a dozen. Third, the sal army doesn't have to cave on their religious beliefs. Thye came close when they were dupped into believing that domestic partners are the same as married couples. Thank God, they realized the error of their ways. Somebody has to stand up against the mongers of moral degradation. I imagine if the fed's really wanted the work to get done they'd invest in the gay groups doing the same work (oops! They already fund those agencies 95%, now, don't they, with small results for theior dollars). Guess, if you want to shut down the sally's then take their federal dollars. Taking away 12% of their budget will hurt, but by no means will the sallies go away. In fact we might have Christmas bell ringers in july! Nice thought. I think Oxfam is terrific for the work their able to do, by the way! I also think the salvation army is terrific. Yeah, they're not so sharp on promos and they stumble into my town when there's a tornado or hurricane and do a bang up job of serving people. It's not fancy. It's not political or for the cameras or for even for Jesus (or at least not that I have to be a christian, too)...they just serve people. are those federal dollars? I don't know and frankly I don't care at that point. I just know people are being helped and that means much in today's world of high overhead and political correctness! sorry to go on so much! Happy New Year! Forgot to mention with respect to your other points.

First, give to whomever you deem worthy. That’s up to you. second, secret deals with Bush are a dime a dozen. Third, the sal army doesn’t have to cave on their religious beliefs. Thye came close when they were dupped into believing that domestic partners are the same as married couples. Thank God, they realized the error of their ways. Somebody has to stand up against the mongers of moral degradation. I imagine if the fed’s really wanted the work to get done they’d invest in the gay groups doing the same work (oops! They already fund those agencies 95%, now, don’t they, with small results for theior dollars). Guess, if you want to shut down the sally’s then take their federal dollars. Taking away 12% of their budget will hurt, but by no means will the sallies go away. In fact we might have Christmas bell ringers in july! Nice thought.

I think Oxfam is terrific for the work their able to do, by the way! I also think the salvation army is terrific. Yeah, they’re not so sharp on promos and they stumble into my town when there’s a tornado or hurricane and do a bang up job of serving people. It’s not fancy. It’s not political or for the cameras or for even for Jesus (or at least not that I have to be a christian, too)…they just serve people. are those federal dollars? I don’t know and frankly I don’t care at that point. I just know people are being helped and that means much in today’s world of high overhead and political correctness!

sorry to go on so much! Happy New Year!

]]> By: Jonathan Cook http://findingulysses.com/2006/12/19/salvation-army/comment-page-1/#comment-1879 Jonathan Cook Wed, 20 Dec 2006 11:48:58 +0000 http://findingulysses.com/2006/12/19/salvation-army/#comment-1879 Seriously, you need to look at your own organization's policies and practices. Have a groovy Saturnalia. Seriously, you need to look at your own organization’s policies and practices.

Have a groovy Saturnalia.

]]> By: Captain PB Stetser http://findingulysses.com/2006/12/19/salvation-army/comment-page-1/#comment-1876 Captain PB Stetser Wed, 20 Dec 2006 04:17:33 +0000 http://findingulysses.com/2006/12/19/salvation-army/#comment-1876 OK. I really don't have time to go into this point by point as I am working about 14 hours a day or more during kettle season. I looked at the Washington Post article and it says that the 95% figure was from "a children's services division of the Salvation Army". The blog article I responded to seemed to be saying that *all* of TSA income was 95% federal. That was what I was commenting on. Actually, all the references are to specific segments of TSA but the complaints paint all of TSA as if it were monolithic. Facts are funny ... they can say whatever you want to say if you can take the time to spin it just right. Seriously tho, Merry Christmas! OK. I really don’t have time to go into this point by point as I am working about 14 hours a day or more during kettle season.
I looked at the Washington Post article and it says that the 95% figure was from “a children’s services division of the Salvation Army”.
The blog article I responded to seemed to be saying that *all* of TSA income was 95% federal.
That was what I was commenting on. Actually, all the references are to specific segments of TSA but the complaints paint all of TSA as if it were monolithic.
Facts are funny … they can say whatever you want to say if you can take the time to spin it just right.
Seriously tho, Merry Christmas!

]]> By: Jonathan Cook http://findingulysses.com/2006/12/19/salvation-army/comment-page-1/#comment-1868 Jonathan Cook Tue, 19 Dec 2006 22:14:49 +0000 http://findingulysses.com/2006/12/19/salvation-army/#comment-1868 Fact 1: 95 percent of the budget for Salvation Army came from the federal government in 2005. Source: Washington Post, October 20, 2005, citing U.S. District Judge Sidney H. Stein. Fact 2: The Salvation Army officially changed its policy so as to declare itself exempt from laws prohibiting discrimination on the basis of religion, and has engaged in religious discrimination against those who declined to "preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ". The Salvation Army did not deny the complaint, but merely said that it had the right to engage in such discrimination, because it's a religious organization. Sources: Lawsuit against the Salvation Army in New York, United States District Court, Southern District of New York, February 24, 2004; Americans United for Separation of Church and State, March 10, 2005. Fact 3: The Salvation Army has fired people, including Jews and even a Lutheran minister, for refusing to document their history of going to Christian churches. Sources: St. Petersburg Times, August 13, 2006; The Jewish Week, November 18, 2005. Fact 4: The Salvation Army has stated that, unless the Salvation Army were allowed to discriminate against gays in hiring, <i>''it really begins to chew away at he theological fabric of who we are"</i>. Source: Washington Post, July 10, 2001. Fact 5: The Salvation Army reached a secret deal with the George W. Bush White House to lobby for the Bush faith-based initiatives in return for a federal exemption from laws against discrimination. Washington Post, July 10, 2001. Facts. Darn those facts. Most people assume that the Salvation Army is only interested in doing nice things for people, but the fact is that the organization has a right wing political agenda too. If you're into that kind of attitude, by all means stick with the Salvation Army. Otherwise, give to Oxfam, not to this kind of bigotry. Fact 1: 95 percent of the budget for Salvation Army came from the federal government in 2005. Source: Washington Post, October 20, 2005, citing U.S. District Judge Sidney H. Stein.

Fact 2: The Salvation Army officially changed its policy so as to declare itself exempt from laws prohibiting discrimination on the basis of religion, and has engaged in religious discrimination against those who declined to “preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ”. The Salvation Army did not deny the complaint, but merely said that it had the right to engage in such discrimination, because it’s a religious organization. Sources: Lawsuit against the Salvation Army in New York, United States District Court, Southern District of New York, February 24, 2004; Americans United for Separation of Church and State, March 10, 2005.

Fact 3: The Salvation Army has fired people, including Jews and even a Lutheran minister, for refusing to document their history of going to Christian churches. Sources: St. Petersburg Times, August 13, 2006; The Jewish Week, November 18, 2005.

Fact 4: The Salvation Army has stated that, unless the Salvation Army were allowed to discriminate against gays in hiring, ”it really begins to chew away at he theological fabric of who we are”. Source: Washington Post, July 10, 2001.

Fact 5: The Salvation Army reached a secret deal with the George W. Bush White House to lobby for the Bush faith-based initiatives in return for a federal exemption from laws against discrimination. Washington Post, July 10, 2001.

Facts. Darn those facts.

Most people assume that the Salvation Army is only interested in doing nice things for people, but the fact is that the organization has a right wing political agenda too. If you’re into that kind of attitude, by all means stick with the Salvation Army. Otherwise, give to Oxfam, not to this kind of bigotry.

]]> By: Marina http://findingulysses.com/2006/12/19/salvation-army/comment-page-1/#comment-1866 Marina Tue, 19 Dec 2006 21:11:44 +0000 http://findingulysses.com/2006/12/19/salvation-army/#comment-1866 I actually just wanted to thank you for your kind words about Oxfam America! I work with Oxfam America on a couple of projects, and the most recent project we are helping with is a new online catalog that they've recently launched called Oxfam America Unwrapped (http://www.oxfamamericaunwrapped.com). You can make a donation to Oxfam America programs worldwide by purchase really unique gifts on Unwrapped. Gifts include a camel, a cow, peace books for kids, investment in a fair trade coffee cooperative, and dozens of other representative gifts. Also, if you go to the site, there's an option to send a free e-card to your friends as a way to spread the word and brighten up someone's day :) Thanks again for your support! Marina :) I actually just wanted to thank you for your kind words about Oxfam America! I work with Oxfam America on a couple of projects, and the most recent project we are helping with is a new online catalog that they’ve recently launched called Oxfam America Unwrapped (http://www.oxfamamericaunwrapped.com).

You can make a donation to Oxfam America programs worldwide by purchase really unique gifts on Unwrapped. Gifts include a camel, a cow, peace books for kids, investment in a fair trade coffee cooperative, and dozens of other representative gifts.

Also, if you go to the site, there’s an option to send a free e-card to your friends as a way to spread the word and brighten up someone’s day :)

Thanks again for your support!
Marina :)

]]> By: Captain PB Stetser http://findingulysses.com/2006/12/19/salvation-army/comment-page-1/#comment-1861 Captain PB Stetser Tue, 19 Dec 2006 17:31:19 +0000 http://findingulysses.com/2006/12/19/salvation-army/#comment-1861 In the spirit of the Christmas season I would like to make a few points. First, in the interest of openness, I am an Officer/Pastor of The Salvation Army. You should know that some of the "facts" above are not necessarily facts. I wanted to be fair so I clicked on the links but they just led to a series of articles/websites which all made claims about TSA without ever referring to any official or news source. Anyone can say anything about anyone and be quoted enough for people to think it is fact. I can assure you that Federal money *in no way* provides 95% or even a majority of any Corps' funding. In my last appointment we provided about 5,000 meals a month for a community of about 35,000. Our annual budget was about $400,000 and our federal funds were less than $20,000! In some large cities (like NYC) the gov't *may* provide a large portion of their funds but I am not familiar with that. But all kettle money is used in the area where you see the kettles! There are many other misleading points (Discrimination against gays and non-Christians applies to Officers/Pastors, not employees, volunteers or 'clients') but I urge people to 'go to the source' to get information; don't just rely on one point of view (even when it is amplified by links to like minded websites)even mine. Do your own research. I hope this does not seem combative in any way ... it is certainly not intended that way. I am just trying to correct incorrect ideas. Christmas Blessings! PB In the spirit of the Christmas season I would like to make a few points. First, in the interest of openness, I am an Officer/Pastor of The Salvation Army.
You should know that some of the “facts” above are not necessarily facts. I wanted to be fair so I clicked on the links but they just led to a series of articles/websites which all made claims about TSA without ever referring to any official or news source. Anyone can say anything about anyone and be quoted enough for people to think it is fact.
I can assure you that Federal money *in no way* provides 95% or even a majority of any Corps’ funding. In my last appointment we provided about 5,000 meals a month for a community of about 35,000. Our annual budget was about $400,000 and our federal funds were less than $20,000!
In some large cities (like NYC) the gov’t *may* provide a large portion of their funds but I am not familiar with that. But all kettle money is used in the area where you see the kettles!
There are many other misleading points (Discrimination against gays and non-Christians applies to Officers/Pastors, not employees, volunteers or ‘clients’) but I urge people to ‘go to the source’ to get information; don’t just rely on one point of view (even when it is amplified by links to like minded websites)even mine.
Do your own research.
I hope this does not seem combative in any way … it is certainly not intended that way. I am just trying to correct incorrect ideas.
Christmas Blessings!
PB

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