Comments on: Should the Trumansburg Village Board of Trustees Pass a Pro-Impeachment Resolution? (Part 2)

By: Jonathan Cook

Jonathan Cook — Wed, 02 May 2007 11:21:09 +0000

I’m confused, Hector. How can we in Trumansburg be both an ignorant bunch of farmhands and a hippy commune?

Wrong on both counts.

Surely, you did hear about the report a couple days ago showing that terrorism has increased under George W. Bush’s war on terror? The argument that opposing Bush is supporting terrorism just doesn’t hold water any more.

By: Hector

Hector — Wed, 02 May 2007 04:08:43 +0000

You have to be a very sick and egotistical little village to think your attempt at that phony resolution could mean anything but a black eye to your village. Now that I have read what you fools are trying, I think of Trumansburg as real low level ignorant bunch of farmhands. Good work losers. Any Google search will show why people and businesses will stay away from your little hippy commune.

Grow up! 3,000 Americans at their place of business were killed on 9/11 and the ONLY person to attempt to stop it from happening again is George Bush. I do not care if an al qeada terrorist is forced to listen to AC/DC with the lights on all day. I do care that many people I knew were murdered and your little village is offering aid and support to those that killed my friends.

By: imprisonbush.com

imprisonbush.com — Sun, 15 Apr 2007 14:05:23 +0000

[...] Last week, the idea of a local resolution in support of the impeachment of President George W. Bush was introduced at a meeting at which village residents listened to three candidates who are running for election to the Trumansburg Board of Trustees. A few days later, Allen Carstensen issued a draft resolution in favor of impeachment on a Trumansburg blog. [...]

By: Chris Thomas

Chris Thomas — Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:56:00 +0000

I stand corrected, Oct. 11, 2002–77 for-23 against– There is another key vote that was unanimous, or nearly so regarding the war that I am remembering but I will have to research it further…

Thanks, Jonathan. Yes, my opinions are just that, my opinions, but they do not guide my judgment on matters concerning the Village; nor should they.

By: Jonathan Cook

Jonathan Cook — Wed, 21 Mar 2007 15:07:39 +0000

Chris, just for the record, it is absolutely untrue that not a single Senator voted against the war. Many Democratic senators did. Take Russ Feingold, for example, or Robert Byrd. Neither Hillary Clinton nor Chuck Schumer did, though. That’s why it’s especially important that we New Yorkers speak out strongly against the war.

I’m glad to see that you recognize that your beliefs about what will and won’t happen are less important than what the residents of Trumansburg want to happen. I look forward to seeing you at work on the Village Board of Trustees.

By: Chris Thomas

Chris Thomas — Wed, 21 Mar 2007 12:51:36 +0000

My belief, based on years of watching politics, is that a Bush impeachment will not remove him from office and it will force more moderate republicans to come to the defense of the indefensible. The fact is the country shouldn’t even be at this point in history now. Democrats would have taken the White House in the last presidential election if at the inception of the invasion of Iraq they had done something like–oh, I don’t know–vote against the war. But they didn’t. Not a single Senator as I recall, and not more than one or two voted against the funding of it. Why? Because they didn’t want to take the chance of political suicide had the war gone quickly and cleanly (something almost unheard of in any battle, one-sided or not). What we needed, what we as U.S. citizens deserved 5 years ago were politicians with the courage of their current convictions… Is that too much to ask? Is it too much to expect that the right decision can be made before the big mistake or will we always be trying to clean up the aftermath.

But the aftermath is where we are. I am against the war first and foremost, and have been since the beginning. We never should have stepped foot in Iraq. As for what to do now–it’s a quandry, certainly.

This said, I sit here this morning a newly elected trustee for the Village and that means, as I stated during my campaign, that I am a conduit for resident interest. If there is enough resident interest to be representative of the Village (as judged during a public meeting which I would be happy to attend and to support) then I would absolutely support a resolution for the Village of Trumansburg which calls for the impeachment of Bush. I assure you no one would be happier than I if he were removed from office.

Let the proceedings begin!

By: Allen Carstensen

Allen Carstensen — Wed, 21 Mar 2007 01:07:57 +0000

Chris said – “it would be a distraction in focus and resources to turn to impeachment when we canâ€™t remove Bush from office and when we should be spending our time and energy ending the war in Iraq.”

The war will not end while Bush is in office. If there is any hope of ending this war before January 09, it hinges on impeachment of Bush and Cheney. We don’t have the votes in the Senate now, but that will change as more and more people demand it, and more and more crimes are revealed by the many investigations now ongoing in Congress.

By: Jonathan Cook

Jonathan Cook — Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:36:14 +0000

Chris,

I think it’s a mistake to presume that ending the Iraq War and impeaching President Bush are mutually exclusive.

Also, as Richard Nixon’s example shows, it’s not safe to assume that an actual impeachment is necessary to remove a President. If the Congress back then had done what the current has done, however, and said that impeachment is “off the table”, I doubt Nixon would have resigned.

Congress needs to press the Bush Administration harder, and a movement to push impeachment from the local level can help to give them the resolve necessary to do so. That effort can be part of the larger campaign to end the war in Iraq and end the many other Bush White House abuses of power.

Would you, Chris, at least be willing to listen to a resolution for impeachment, or to discuss the matter further with village residents? I think that it would make a fascinating Back to Democracy meeting, or even just a sort of late afternoon salon at Gimme Coffee.

By: Chris Thomas

Chris Thomas — Tue, 20 Mar 2007 21:52:04 +0000

To correct Allen slightly, what I said was that impeachment was no big feat because we have the votes in the House to accomplish that, but that we do not have the votes in the Senate to remove Bush from office, and, therefore, it would be a distraction in focus and resources to turn to impeachment when we can’t remove Bush from office and when we should be spending our time and energy ending the war in Iraq.

By: imprisonbush.com » Trumansburg Resolution To Impeach Bush

imprisonbush.com » Trumansburg Resolution To Impeach Bush — Sun, 18 Mar 2007 19:27:54 +0000

By: David Kauber

David Kauber — Sat, 17 Mar 2007 14:46:28 +0000

Allen: This is brief and well put; you must have spent much time to get to this level of focus upon the topic at hand. And as the sayings go:

If not now, when?
If not us, who?
David Kauber, Aurora,
village of takeover by
Moneybags Rowland.

By: Allen Carstensen

Allen Carstensen — Sat, 17 Mar 2007 12:50:23 +0000

The Bush Crime Family is out of control. They are ruining our country. Please spend some time at afterdowningstreet.org/ if you have any doubt. If we continue to do nothing about it, we are complicit in their crimes. We The People, are the only force capable of saving this country. If we limit ourselves to conventional channels such as writing to our congressional representatives, that may not be enough, because congress has become almost completely subservient to the military industrial complex that Eisenhower warned us about. Our local village board is not subservient. We can begin a grassroots movement here, that might help end the nightmare.