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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot; in keeping with the founding fathers ideas that ordinary people should be in government then go back to live with their results&quot;&gt;

Barry,

So the criteria is that the candidate be &quot;ordinary&quot;? What makes Rordan Hart ordinary? Is it that oh so common first name? Or the fact that he makes his money gambling the stocks in NYC-  like most &quot;ordinary&quot; trumansburg residents?

and what exactly about Filliberto or Thomas for that matter that is not ordinary? Don&#039;t they need to &quot; be in government then go back to live with their results.&quot; Don&#039;t they live here too? Doesn&#039;t Thomas own an insulation company? Isn&#039;t that more &quot;local&quot; than wall street? Seems reasonably ordinary to me.

Or for that matter - are you against &lt;strong&gt;extraordinary&lt;/strong&gt; people being involved in your government?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite=" in keeping with the founding fathers ideas that ordinary people should be in government then go back to live with their results">
<p>Barry,</p>
<p>So the criteria is that the candidate be &#8220;ordinary&#8221;? What makes Rordan Hart ordinary? Is it that oh so common first name? Or the fact that he makes his money gambling the stocks in NYC-  like most &#8220;ordinary&#8221; trumansburg residents?</p>
<p>and what exactly about Filliberto or Thomas for that matter that is not ordinary? Don&#8217;t they need to &#8221; be in government then go back to live with their results.&#8221; Don&#8217;t they live here too? Doesn&#8217;t Thomas own an insulation company? Isn&#8217;t that more &#8220;local&#8221; than wall street? Seems reasonably ordinary to me.</p>
<p>Or for that matter &#8211; are you against <strong>extraordinary</strong> people being involved in your government?</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Barry Hayes</title>
		<link>http://findingulysses.com/2007/03/18/back-to-representative-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-7208</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry Hayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tappaers we need a big change in local government so I would like to try out Rordan Hart.  His not having experience is more in keeping with the founding fathers ideas that ordinary people should be in government then go back to live with their results.  And apparently local representation is down in both the villgae and the town.  It hink some of the folks who built this village should have more say in it&#039;s future thant they have lately.  After all it is so attractive because they built it as it is.  A nice little town.  with a center Walking would be nice as would mail delivery to the door step in the village.  Side walks could make it more walker friendly. 
Skate park is good idea too it should be on Rose Hilbert&#039;s land taken by emminent domain and bordering the school grounds.  Best possible spot.  Or think it over some more.  Not an emergancy after all.  
Nativists first time I have heard that term is here in Trumansburg.  Must be a planning device.  Natives should have as much say as anyone in the comnmmunity.  I don&#039;t see any great improvements as yet in the village with the political officials on hand as of now.  I was hoping for some improveemnt with new blood in the local Government but it has been rather disastrous in lack of productivity and obstructionism.  
Representative Democracy would be nice again and would require an informed public.  Speaking of same where can I get a copy of the latest comprehensicve plamming documents?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tappaers we need a big change in local government so I would like to try out Rordan Hart.  His not having experience is more in keeping with the founding fathers ideas that ordinary people should be in government then go back to live with their results.  And apparently local representation is down in both the villgae and the town.  It hink some of the folks who built this village should have more say in it&#8217;s future thant they have lately.  After all it is so attractive because they built it as it is.  A nice little town.  with a center Walking would be nice as would mail delivery to the door step in the village.  Side walks could make it more walker friendly.<br />
Skate park is good idea too it should be on Rose Hilbert&#8217;s land taken by emminent domain and bordering the school grounds.  Best possible spot.  Or think it over some more.  Not an emergancy after all.<br />
Nativists first time I have heard that term is here in Trumansburg.  Must be a planning device.  Natives should have as much say as anyone in the comnmmunity.  I don&#8217;t see any great improvements as yet in the village with the political officials on hand as of now.  I was hoping for some improveemnt with new blood in the local Government but it has been rather disastrous in lack of productivity and obstructionism.<br />
Representative Democracy would be nice again and would require an informed public.  Speaking of same where can I get a copy of the latest comprehensicve plamming documents?</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Cook</title>
		<link>http://findingulysses.com/2007/03/18/back-to-representative-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-6901</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2007 18:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris Thomas impressed me as someone who is calm and carefully considered, very stable and able to listen to others, and with a mature perspective.

I agree with &quot;Village&quot; that a pure referendum system can actually be a bit too quick.  There&#039;s an important balance between speed and consideration to be had.  One of the problems people have had with Doug Austic&#039;s effort to ram through Water District 5 is that he didn&#039;t allow all voices to be heard, and urged everybody to just go along with what he wanted because we had to rush, rush, rush to get it done by Austic&#039;s contrived deadline for funding... as if that sort of money won&#039;t be available again.

It always calls for suspicion when politicians urge for something to take place quickly - as George W. Bush did with the invasion of Iraq.

The comprehensive plan that David Filiberto and Chris Thomas have been working on, with a huge amount of openness, community involvement, and slow and steady progress, shows that they have some idea about a more measured approach to government - not gone out of control.  Rordan Hart doesn&#039;t seem to have given these issues much thought.

Thank you, Mary, for sharing your thoughts on this subject here. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris Thomas impressed me as someone who is calm and carefully considered, very stable and able to listen to others, and with a mature perspective.</p>
<p>I agree with &#8220;Village&#8221; that a pure referendum system can actually be a bit too quick.  There&#8217;s an important balance between speed and consideration to be had.  One of the problems people have had with Doug Austic&#8217;s effort to ram through Water District 5 is that he didn&#8217;t allow all voices to be heard, and urged everybody to just go along with what he wanted because we had to rush, rush, rush to get it done by Austic&#8217;s contrived deadline for funding&#8230; as if that sort of money won&#8217;t be available again.</p>
<p>It always calls for suspicion when politicians urge for something to take place quickly &#8211; as George W. Bush did with the invasion of Iraq.</p>
<p>The comprehensive plan that David Filiberto and Chris Thomas have been working on, with a huge amount of openness, community involvement, and slow and steady progress, shows that they have some idea about a more measured approach to government &#8211; not gone out of control.  Rordan Hart doesn&#8217;t seem to have given these issues much thought.</p>
<p>Thank you, Mary, for sharing your thoughts on this subject here.</p>
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		<title>By: Allen Carstensen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allen Carstensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2007 18:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do our local candidates stand for? Well, I look for candidates that share some of my values which happen to coincide rather nicely with this from the Back To Democracy website:  &quot; We promote participatory democracy, with the aims of peace, social justice, sustainability, and liberation from corporate control.&quot;

I usually find that Democrats meet my criteria better than Republicans, although I&#039;m very often very disappointed with the Democratic candidates that I&#039;m stuck with.  That was not the case last Thursday.  I think Filberto and Thomas will be excellent trustees.  I was pleased that David said he would consider a petition for impeachment of Bush/Cheney.  I was disappointed with Chris Thomas&#039;s answer on that, but I think there is hope that he will  come around.  I doubt there is any hope for the Republican.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do our local candidates stand for? Well, I look for candidates that share some of my values which happen to coincide rather nicely with this from the Back To Democracy website:  &#8221; We promote participatory democracy, with the aims of peace, social justice, sustainability, and liberation from corporate control.&#8221;</p>
<p>I usually find that Democrats meet my criteria better than Republicans, although I&#8217;m very often very disappointed with the Democratic candidates that I&#8217;m stuck with.  That was not the case last Thursday.  I think Filberto and Thomas will be excellent trustees.  I was pleased that David said he would consider a petition for impeachment of Bush/Cheney.  I was disappointed with Chris Thomas&#8217;s answer on that, but I think there is hope that he will  come around.  I doubt there is any hope for the Republican.</p>
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		<title>By: Villager</title>
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		<dc:creator>Villager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2007 16:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent thoughts, Mary.

I know that I am very skeptical of those who advocate referendums, like Mike Gravel does on the presidential level, because they&#039;re vulnerable to manipulation through money.  On the village level, that&#039;s less of a problem, but often referenda are dishonestly worded.

I agree that Rordan Hart is unacceptably vague.

He promises not to promote any agenda at all, but just to do whatever people tell him to do.

Well, which people is he talking about?  Over and over again, Rordan Hart talks about representing people who &quot;have roots&quot; in the area.  

Rordan Hart&#039;s agenda is to represent natives to the detriment of everyone else.

Chris Thomas and David Filiberto have my votes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent thoughts, Mary.</p>
<p>I know that I am very skeptical of those who advocate referendums, like Mike Gravel does on the presidential level, because they&#8217;re vulnerable to manipulation through money.  On the village level, that&#8217;s less of a problem, but often referenda are dishonestly worded.</p>
<p>I agree that Rordan Hart is unacceptably vague.</p>
<p>He promises not to promote any agenda at all, but just to do whatever people tell him to do.</p>
<p>Well, which people is he talking about?  Over and over again, Rordan Hart talks about representing people who &#8220;have roots&#8221; in the area.  </p>
<p>Rordan Hart&#8217;s agenda is to represent natives to the detriment of everyone else.</p>
<p>Chris Thomas and David Filiberto have my votes.</p>
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