Comments on: Ulysses Democrats Speak Against FISA Amendments Act

By: x

Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:41:04 +0000

carissa, i think your husband sits on the ulysses democratic committee. are you telling us you dont know what goes on in your own household? maybe you should have some better communication at home before you come onto an open forum and shoot your mouth off. good luck with that.

By: Obamatherat

Obamatherat — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:36:01 +0000

Democrats,
Obama’s FISA vote and the way the Democratic congress always caves and gives this corrupt president anything he wants has caused me to change my status from Democrat to Independent. I am seriously considering alternate presidential contenders. From what I have seen since we elected a majority to congress and having Obama lie to us about FISA I am really having a hard time seeing any difference between the Democratic and Republican parties. They both try to sell themselves by pandering to different people to get into office so they can take advantage to all the perks including giving themselves hefty pay raises and selling their votes for more perks. When it all comes down to what we get, the majority are a bunch of lying thugs who don’t give a rats ass about the constitution or bill of rights. Obama or McCain, Republican or Democratic congress, all the same. At one time there were differences but politics is so corrupt that it is all about power and money for them, not those of us who work to hold this country together. I had high hopes for Obama. While he was working for our donations and our votes he tickled our ears. Now he will tickle the ears of whomever has the most money and we all know it is not the average person around here. It just didn’t take long to corrupt him I guess.

By: x

Fri, 18 Jul 2008 06:26:50 +0000

oooh we are SO scared of pete meskill looking at us “sternly”

By: Krys Cail

Krys Cail — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:06:52 +0000

John, that is mean and unnecessary. I am on the local Dem Committee, and can assure you that there was (before the vote to send the letters) and has been (since the vote to send the letters) discussion of the possible inappropriateness of the action– coming at least from me. I think people have differing expectations of what a local Democratic Committee should do, which I have no desire to discuss in this forum, but, which will continue to be discussed in the Committee meetings, which are open to all registered Democrats (although, John, if you call people “nobodies” in the meeting, Sheriff Meskill might look at you sternly).

By: john

john — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:00:20 +0000

Oh so sorry the local democratic committee didnt check with you before they sent out a letter. I gather you both must people of some importance. HA! That would be funny. Are either of you on the committee? do either of do anything to support local democratic politics. didnt think so. Get a life and whine about something else, nobodies.

By: Allen Carstensen

Allen Carstensen — Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:52:26 +0000

Ann and Carrissa,

OK, point taken. We will phrase our letters as you suggest next time. Apparently the ACLU agreed with the sentiments we expressed on your behalf. They filed suit against the government the moment Bush signed the FISA Amendments Act into law. But, if you don’t want the Ulysses Dems sticking up for your Constitutional rights for you, fine. Maybe they’ll go after our 1st Amendment rights next time, and it will become illegal for us to write these letters at all. That’ll solve the problem.

By: Carissa

Carissa — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:51:12 +0000

Ann’s comment explains my feeling succintly.
The point is not whether or not i agree with FISA, but whether or not it is democratic for a letter to include me when i haven’t been given a chance to comment on it.

By: Ann DiPetta

Ann DiPetta — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:32:03 +0000

Hi, Allen. I see that your letter to Michael Arcuri specifically states “We the Ulysses Democratic Committee…” while the other letters use more general language (“We Democrats…”). I’d like to request that when you are sending letters to elected officials that you speak for yourself or for the committee you belong to and not for all Ulysses Democrats. As a Ulysses Democrat, I do not wish to be included in your letters of opinion. Please be sure to speak specifically for youself or your committee in the future. Thank you~

By: john

john — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:10:22 +0000

I for one am very happy our local democratic organization took a stand on this. I think it is great leadership on their part. Perhaps if you go to their website you might be better informed. I found it here:
ulyssesdemocrats.com

By: Allen Carstensen

Allen Carstensen — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 03:49:09 +0000

Carissa,

Speaking only for myself, just one member of the Ulysses Democratic Committee, I would say that the purpose of the committee, is to promote the principles of the Party, primarily, but not exclusively, on a local level, because we feel that this is the best way to promote the general welfare to ourselves and our children.

A majority of the committee felt that supporting the FISA Amendments Act, worked against this purpose, and violates the Fourth Amendment of our Constitution,

“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

If we believe our country is headed in the wrong direction, we must do more than just complain. These letters were a small part of what must be constant pressure put upon our elected officials if we hope to counteract the enormous pressure being put upon them by lobbyists and the neoconservative movement.

A slight majority of Democratic Senators voted against the FISA bill today. One of those was Senator Clinton. She got one of our letters. Perhaps we played some small part.

I am pleased that these letters were sent by the committee. We realize that not all members of our party will agree, in fact not all members of the committee agree. We reached a decision to send the letters via the democratic process. If you don’t think we should have sent them, you should explain why, and post it here, and also send the explanation to David Filiberto, the chairman of the Committee.

If you wish to be consulted on all actions of the Committee, perhaps you should join.

By: Carissa

Carissa — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:34:51 +0000

I am wondering if someone can spell out the purpose and goals of the Ulysses Democratic Committee.
I am a democrat in the Town of Ulysses, so the letters were sent on my behalf.
However, i was never consulted in those matters.
Can someone clarify for me?